cool, but are the ropes supposed to be positioned so erratically? even overlapping? the perspective is weird, too, on the swing set mostly, but the letters as well.
well i did fix the one overlap on the ropes of the S %26 W. as for the perspective of the letters the only thing i can tell you is that i wanted (some of) them look almost twisted like children do sometimes when they swing (N for example). my goal for anyone who viewed this was for them to almost hear the creaks and squeaks of the letters swinging, blowing in the wind, perhaps....
AWESOME. I think 'productions' is a tad small, but I love it. It's great that such a detailed graphic could still work as a single or two-colour as well.
The perspective on the letters themselves is fine really. It is the perspective on the swing set that confuses the eye (is the left side closer? is the right side closer? can't tell). I would also argue that lining up the ropes of the swings so they are consistently spaced like they would be for a real swing set would improve this and you would not have to move the letters much if at all. It is a very cool idea and mark, just needs some tweaking to the execution to make it perfect.
agreed. perspective is way off with the bars.. the only thing that would bother me about that is I'm not sure if it's a playful-intentional type of thing or if it's misjudgment.. I would suggest either exaggerating the weird perspective so people know it's not an accident, or straighten it out a bit.. it's still very cool though. kudos.
as far as the perspective goes, i based it off of a picture of an actual swingset.....so i guess take that for what its worth. maybe there was some accuracy lost in the 3-D to 2-D transition that i will have to account for and make adjustments. (although i'd still like to think it looks somewhat three dimensional)**Thanks to all for the compliments/critiques.
you could lose the swing altogether an just keep the type and ropes, that would still get the essage across imo. Id like to see this in black and white.
Looks cool Struve! I would drop the front right foot of the swing down so that it sits lower than the left side to create more real perspective. Also not sure if you need the drop shadows, kind of distraction. You've hit the swing motion right on with the letters. I love it.
the perspective of the frame is fine if you look at it as though the outsides are leaning towards the top bar with the bases splayed a bit wider. If they were meant to be straight up and down vertical, that's where it gets a bit screwey and lost in translation as you said.**i love it as is, but would be interested to see it with consistent rope alignment and no frame.**What did they reject it on Struve? did they have an alternative?
they wanted a more abstract interpretation, as opposed to my more literal route. (that would have been nice to know before hand....) also didn't want to use it on the gradient background/or colored background all the time and while i still think it looks OK on white, i have to admit, it does really POP alot better on this background...
i have always wondered about IncSpring....how does that work anyway? do you just sell people un-used logos and then rework them for that company's specific company name?
I think the execution was really poor, and despite the comments made above, it seems you made no changes whatsoever. **The points from where the ropes hang should CERTAINLY be evenly spaced. You could still have made the ropes swing out erratically.**Also, this would have been way stronger and simpler if you got rid of the frame. As well, the grass and shadows complicate it in my mind and I keep looking away from the words.**Your client would have liked it if you had taken the time to attempt changes. **And just because it comes from an image of a swing set doesn't mean that it looks right in graphic form. No matter how good you are, details are lost with colours and things like that, and you certainly need to make adjustments, which are lacking in this example.**Ed.
%5E yes, everyone has their opinions on execution. I'm the biggest believer in execution and make it perfect. I feel that's what makes a good logo designer. working out all the bugs. Why settle for anything but perfect? Are we talking only great concepts here or the whole enchilada? This is not bad, but ANY logo can be improved and if your not willing to listen to improve, well then work at a copy shop or kinkos designing logos.
As a hero of mine once said, %22It doesn't have to be perfect... but what's wrong with perfect?%22 (Alton Brown). Three important things that help when designing (for me at least): ask for critique from everyone%3B at some point put it away to give your mind and eyes a break for a couple of days%3B and all things can be improved. (I feel vindicated.)
Struve, I think of IncSpring as a foster home for homeless concepts. Sure some people design for IncSpring, but I think most people use it for its self described purpose. Go check it out!
Wow that is a little harsh Vivara,*%22Your client would have liked it if you had taken the time to attempt changes.%22**....well they explained to me they didn't want to go in this direction at all, so instead of going back and coming up with a concept more to their liking it looks like you're suggesting i waste my time on revising a logo that doesn't suit their needs anyway.....GREAT idea!*
actually, the idea was to tweak this before and send your client several variations of it, from this more complicated version to the sleeker ideas given above. because you didn't do that to begin with, this concept is done for. another thing is we all like the concept very much. there is nothing that says you can't revisit this as another option in second set of concepts. you may find your client will finally see the potential we all see.
can no one understand that while they thought it looked very cool it just wasn't for them, no matter how much tweaking could have been done?**i don't see why that is so hard to understand. as designers, of course we all see the potential in each others designs. and we all wish every client could see that potential too. **sometimes you give them prime rib and they choose the ground beef.**when it comes down to it the client is the one paying for your services so no matter how much better you think one of your concepts is than another, they have the final say....thats why you give them options in the first place.**they did not want to go in this direction, so they got another logo that they are happy with. done deal.
UPDATE: i uploaded this to IncSpring and reworked it a bit from all the suggestions above%5E%5E%5E%0D*%0D*and it sold today! thanks to theartistt for the suggestion to post it there.
I don't know, maybe animated it would look good. Still though, I don't feel it. No sizability, would look bad on a business card. Just my opinion. Clever idea though.
This is a great example of how logo purists and average clientele butt heads. As a logo purist looking at this, it is obvious there are several problems with it: perspective, sizing, color, complexity, etc. But your average client is just going to look at this and go wow. It is a basic case of flash over function. I'm not tearing this logo down. The concept is brilliant. It is an easy concept to sell as illustrated. But usability down the line can and will catch up with this. Even though I consider myself a logo purist, I cave to clients all the time and have been caught down the road exactly this way (for those who remember the Direct Impressions %26 More logo). I need the money more than fame is how I rationalize it. And I'm always envious of those who can and do stick to their design guns and are successful. That part of the equation I've never been able to solve. Sorry for going on so.
Ummm...I totally don't understand why people come into these communities and networks and then post stupid, rude, and commanding comments to people who are sharing their work. I think this is fabulous work and I like the perspective, etc., and even if I didn't, it wouldn't be my place to come on here and talk to you like I'm your boss or your cranky professor. Who the H do people think they are? Why would you even bother being part of these communities? NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK. Good lord! That being said, again, I think this logo is fabulous and I respect your choices--for crying out loud, it's your own work and your own idea!
jsml* I agree, and the person that really gets to me is %22theartistt%22 why doesnt she take the %22advice%22 she gives to people and do it to her own logos!?!?
How does someone learn and grow without hearing critique? There is an option here called a RED Flag to use if you would rather not hear some constructive opinions . In this business you have to have thick skin because everyone has an opinion and any logo can be improved.
logomotive, yes you are right people do have to have thick skin to hear critiques, but how are you going to feel after all your experience someone tells you, your work isnt good, and you should do things that persons way, and when you see their portfolio that same advise could of been used on theirs. Or what do you think?
theartistt never said %22your work isn't good%22. She said the logo is, %22cool%22, %22it is a very cool idea and mark%22, and %22I do love the concept%22. Trish simply sees the potential to make things perfect. This is a designer who cares about people and cares about improving there skills. While you may not think her work is good, she knows her stuff and was only trying to help.
Well thought and executed...on the critics part, if a logo is creative, unique and well presented it'll do...dun have to get into too many details...jus my personal experience...
Ocularink, your right she didnt say %22your work is no good%22 on here but, on other past logos, she has bashed on some people pretty bad. But logomotive said it best, you just have to determine what you take in :)
Lets Discuss
cool, but are the ropes supposed to be positioned so erratically? even overlapping? the perspective is weird, too, on the swing set mostly, but the letters as well.
Replywell i did fix the one overlap on the ropes of the S %26 W. as for the perspective of the letters the only thing i can tell you is that i wanted (some of) them look almost twisted like children do sometimes when they swing (N for example). my goal for anyone who viewed this was for them to almost hear the creaks and squeaks of the letters swinging, blowing in the wind, perhaps....
ReplyCool! *%3C0%3E
ReplyStruve....nice job
ReplyTerrific concept I think, and wonderfully innovative execution!
ReplyCool and fresh ideea. You could try some shadows on letters to increase the motion impresion...
Replycool, wondering what it would look like without the %22swing frame%22
ReplyAWESOME. I think 'productions' is a tad small, but I love it. It's great that such a detailed graphic could still work as a single or two-colour as well.
Reply%5E%5E%5E hey thanks, all! this is my first one on the home page!
ReplyReally terrific work! Love it.
ReplyThe perspective on the letters themselves is fine really. It is the perspective on the swing set that confuses the eye (is the left side closer? is the right side closer? can't tell). I would also argue that lining up the ropes of the swings so they are consistently spaced like they would be for a real swing set would improve this and you would not have to move the letters much if at all. It is a very cool idea and mark, just needs some tweaking to the execution to make it perfect.
ReplySplendid!
ReplyI think the letters work really well but the frame itself (particularly the right side) is wacky perspective.
ReplyI think the comments about the perspective are a bit ruogh :-) This is a really beautiful logo. Well done.
Replyagreed. perspective is way off with the bars.. the only thing that would bother me about that is I'm not sure if it's a playful-intentional type of thing or if it's misjudgment.. I would suggest either exaggerating the weird perspective so people know it's not an accident, or straighten it out a bit.. it's still very cool though. kudos.
ReplyI like it but think you should do the same on the rings connnecting to the bars as you have the letters.
Replyas far as the perspective goes, i based it off of a picture of an actual swingset.....so i guess take that for what its worth. maybe there was some accuracy lost in the 3-D to 2-D transition that i will have to account for and make adjustments. (although i'd still like to think it looks somewhat three dimensional)**Thanks to all for the compliments/critiques.
Replylove at first sight!
Replyoh, it is definitely three dimensional. I know I'm being nit picky. I do love the concept. it is fabu.
ReplyThis logo would be a lot stronger without the frame.
Replyi like this.
Replythat's awesome!!!
ReplyAwesome! Great angle, it looks perfect to me :)
ReplyAmazing! Love the execution as well as concept! :)
ReplyLovely design and very helpful discussion.
Reply%5E%5E thanks to all!**Unfortunately today this got rejected so i guess its back to the drawing board, or keyboard....
Replyalmost missed this one! nice job struve! :)
ReplyI like this! I even like the wacky perspective of the swingset. It seems fitting...
ReplyWas it the concept they had a problem with? or were they concerned with legibility? I wonder it there's a way to simplify the concept
Replyyou could lose the swing altogether an just keep the type and ropes, that would still get the essage across imo. Id like to see this in black and white.
ReplyYeh that might be cool too
ReplyGreat logo, I like it! %3B)
Replygreat idea and logo...congrats
ReplyThis could turn into a very nice little animation. Nice work, I like the action.
ReplyLooks cool Struve! I would drop the front right foot of the swing down so that it sits lower than the left side to create more real perspective. Also not sure if you need the drop shadows, kind of distraction. You've hit the swing motion right on with the letters. I love it.
Replythe perspective of the frame is fine if you look at it as though the outsides are leaning towards the top bar with the bases splayed a bit wider. If they were meant to be straight up and down vertical, that's where it gets a bit screwey and lost in translation as you said.**i love it as is, but would be interested to see it with consistent rope alignment and no frame.**What did they reject it on Struve? did they have an alternative?
Replythey wanted a more abstract interpretation, as opposed to my more literal route. (that would have been nice to know before hand....) also didn't want to use it on the gradient background/or colored background all the time and while i still think it looks OK on white, i have to admit, it does really POP alot better on this background...
ReplySell it on IncSpring. The concept is great (regardless of my issues with the execution).
Replyi have always wondered about IncSpring....how does that work anyway? do you just sell people un-used logos and then rework them for that company's specific company name?
ReplyI think the execution was really poor, and despite the comments made above, it seems you made no changes whatsoever. **The points from where the ropes hang should CERTAINLY be evenly spaced. You could still have made the ropes swing out erratically.**Also, this would have been way stronger and simpler if you got rid of the frame. As well, the grass and shadows complicate it in my mind and I keep looking away from the words.**Your client would have liked it if you had taken the time to attempt changes. **And just because it comes from an image of a swing set doesn't mean that it looks right in graphic form. No matter how good you are, details are lost with colours and things like that, and you certainly need to make adjustments, which are lacking in this example.**Ed.
Reply%5E yes, everyone has their opinions on execution. I'm the biggest believer in execution and make it perfect. I feel that's what makes a good logo designer. working out all the bugs. Why settle for anything but perfect? Are we talking only great concepts here or the whole enchilada? This is not bad, but ANY logo can be improved and if your not willing to listen to improve, well then work at a copy shop or kinkos designing logos.
ReplyAs a hero of mine once said, %22It doesn't have to be perfect... but what's wrong with perfect?%22 (Alton Brown). Three important things that help when designing (for me at least): ask for critique from everyone%3B at some point put it away to give your mind and eyes a break for a couple of days%3B and all things can be improved. (I feel vindicated.)
ReplyStruve, I think of IncSpring as a foster home for homeless concepts. Sure some people design for IncSpring, but I think most people use it for its self described purpose. Go check it out!
Replybest advice i've ever heard mike, i agree completely with that.
Replyfeel like a song ...)
ReplyWow that is a little harsh Vivara,*%22Your client would have liked it if you had taken the time to attempt changes.%22**....well they explained to me they didn't want to go in this direction at all, so instead of going back and coming up with a concept more to their liking it looks like you're suggesting i waste my time on revising a logo that doesn't suit their needs anyway.....GREAT idea!*
Replyactually, the idea was to tweak this before and send your client several variations of it, from this more complicated version to the sleeker ideas given above. because you didn't do that to begin with, this concept is done for. another thing is we all like the concept very much. there is nothing that says you can't revisit this as another option in second set of concepts. you may find your client will finally see the potential we all see.
Replycan no one understand that while they thought it looked very cool it just wasn't for them, no matter how much tweaking could have been done?**i don't see why that is so hard to understand. as designers, of course we all see the potential in each others designs. and we all wish every client could see that potential too. **sometimes you give them prime rib and they choose the ground beef.**when it comes down to it the client is the one paying for your services so no matter how much better you think one of your concepts is than another, they have the final say....thats why you give them options in the first place.**they did not want to go in this direction, so they got another logo that they are happy with. done deal.
ReplyI completely understand. Client wasn't going for this concept...no way...no how. I'd still tweak it for my portfolio though.
ReplyVery, very original %26 unique.
ReplyUPDATE: i uploaded this to IncSpring and reworked it a bit from all the suggestions above%5E%5E%5E%0D*%0D*and it sold today! thanks to theartistt for the suggestion to post it there.
ReplyCA CHING! grats bud.
ReplyI'll take 10 percent! Good job. Knew it would.
ReplyCongratulations!
Replythanks logomotive.%0D*%0D*theartistt: somehow i knew there would be talk of a percentage in your next post on this logo.... :)
Replythanks gareth
Replycongrats
Replythis is the awesomest logo ever!!!
ReplyI don't know, maybe animated it would look good. Still though, I don't feel it. No sizability, would look bad on a business card. Just my opinion. Clever idea though.
ReplyThis is a great example of how logo purists and average clientele butt heads. As a logo purist looking at this, it is obvious there are several problems with it: perspective, sizing, color, complexity, etc. But your average client is just going to look at this and go wow. It is a basic case of flash over function. I'm not tearing this logo down. The concept is brilliant. It is an easy concept to sell as illustrated. But usability down the line can and will catch up with this. Even though I consider myself a logo purist, I cave to clients all the time and have been caught down the road exactly this way (for those who remember the Direct Impressions %26 More logo). I need the money more than fame is how I rationalize it. And I'm always envious of those who can and do stick to their design guns and are successful. That part of the equation I've never been able to solve. Sorry for going on so.
ReplyITS JUST AWSOME1
ReplyOne of my inspiration on incspring... Designed Reality....
Replynice nice... remember http://jwls.ultra-book.com/ *fine composition
Replyi just found my logo on ffffound! i have been wondering if i would ever see anything of mine on there someday....today is the day! cool!%0D*%0D*http://ffffound.com/image/494b5952ce0e1fede1cb5cb145c1f9e5f6e53b07
Replygood job !!
ReplyUmmm...I totally don't understand why people come into these communities and networks and then post stupid, rude, and commanding comments to people who are sharing their work. I think this is fabulous work and I like the perspective, etc., and even if I didn't, it wouldn't be my place to come on here and talk to you like I'm your boss or your cranky professor. Who the H do people think they are? Why would you even bother being part of these communities? NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK. Good lord! That being said, again, I think this logo is fabulous and I respect your choices--for crying out loud, it's your own work and your own idea!
Replyjsml* I agree, and the person that really gets to me is %22theartistt%22 why doesnt she take the %22advice%22 she gives to people and do it to her own logos!?!?
ReplyGood Logo by the way!
ReplyHow does someone learn and grow without hearing critique? There is an option here called a RED Flag to use if you would rather not hear some constructive opinions . In this business you have to have thick skin because everyone has an opinion and any logo can be improved.
Replylogomotive, yes you are right people do have to have thick skin to hear critiques, but how are you going to feel after all your experience someone tells you, your work isnt good, and you should do things that persons way, and when you see their portfolio that same advise could of been used on theirs. Or what do you think?
ReplyThat's just something that I think one has to determine for their self, either listen or don't %3B)
ReplyThat's why I'm a creative director :)
Replytheartistt never said %22your work isn't good%22. She said the logo is, %22cool%22, %22it is a very cool idea and mark%22, and %22I do love the concept%22. Trish simply sees the potential to make things perfect. This is a designer who cares about people and cares about improving there skills. While you may not think her work is good, she knows her stuff and was only trying to help.
ReplyWell thought and executed...on the critics part, if a logo is creative, unique and well presented it'll do...dun have to get into too many details...jus my personal experience...
ReplyOcularink, your right she didnt say %22your work is no good%22 on here but, on other past logos, she has bashed on some people pretty bad. But logomotive said it best, you just have to determine what you take in :)
Reply%22But logomotive said it best, you just have to determine what you take in :)%22**Works for me. :-)
ReplyRegarding perspective, a true artist's eye is always more accurate than a photo.
Replyeveryone is entitled to an opinion... even me. thanks Kevin and Mike. still waiting on my 10%25 Struve! %3B)
Replyswing n float
Replyfaved
Replygreat concept ... brilliant execution --- like !
ReplyI like it 2, love the IDEA it Self :D
ReplyGraphicsally is using this in their portfolio... Just thought you should know. Thy're advertising it as a $50 logo.... YIKES!
Replyhttp://www.kijiji.ca/v-graphic-web-design-jobs/city-of-toronto/professional-logo-designing-50/1089811688?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
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